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  Things I trust more than the Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  i stole this, from of all places, rick fearon.

  i don't know who he stole it from.

  please think of more.. things i trust more than the jehovah's witnesses governing body+ the media+ mexican tap water+ cappuccino from bill cosby+ a bigfoot sighting+ a politician who says "trust me"+ an al qaeda who wants flying lessons, but skips landing and take-offs+ a hillary clinton war story+ bill clinton wanting to give a speech at an all-female school+ gas station sushi+ a brian williams or bill o'rielly news report+ email from a nigerian prince.

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  Nathan Natas

  OTWO confessed, "I stole this, from of all places, Rick Fearon. I don't know who he stole it from."

  MAYBE http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/206030004/things-that-trust-more-hillary-clinton
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  "Evidence" of a "smokelike pall"... This was the last straw for me back in 2008. Fade began with this:

  by DarioKehl in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  from that nutty red book of insanity, the grand climax at hand book, chapter 22, paragraphs 7 & 8. .

  i had my doubts since childhood.

  i went along with it to please people.

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  When I read ALIVE!'s comment, "I'm sitting here and it's ALL coming back to me."

  I flashed on this song by Meatloaf and, well, here it is:

  Maybe somehow the lyrics are germane to this discussion. If not, consider it a musical interlude in the discussion...

  https://youtu.be/EaeA0C_339w
  
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  Things that I trust more than Hillary Clinton

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. social
  2. humour

  things that i trust more than hillary clinton:.

  mexican tap water.

  any email from nigeria.

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  Things that I trust more than Hillary Clinton:

  Mexican tap water. Any email from Nigeria. A rattlesnake with a "pet me" sign. OJ Simpson showing me his knife collection. A fart when I have diarrhea. An elevator ride with Ray Rice. Taking pills offered by Bill Cosby. Michael Jackson's Doctor. An Obama Nuclear deal with Iran. A Palestinian on a motorcycle. Gas station Sushi. A Jimmy Carter economic plan. Brian Williams news reports. Loch Ness monster sightings. Prayers for peace from Al Sharpton. Truck stop hookers. Tax advice from the IRS. Used car salesmen. Pet food from China. Recap tires at 100 mph
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  Crisis of Conscience

  by WasOnceBlind in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wow, what a great book.

  i started reading it today and have not been able stop.

  im already 80 pages in!

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  NotSureWhereToGo - I have already eaten your hat. In fact, I didn't just EAT your hat, I ATE THE HELL OUT OF IT. ...and you are correct about Don Cameron's book, an excellent piece of original writing that inspired me to produce my own excellent line of Replica Reprints. Let the reader use discernment.

  Athanasius - I'm glad you didn't go so far as to offer that because YOU (as an elder) were UNAWARE of the Pedophile Paradise Problem, it DID NOT EXIST. As I stated, I was merely a Pioneer/MS in the Middle Village, Queens, NYC congregation in the early 70s when the "accelerated" TRUTH book program was hauling in tons of hippies and neo-Jesus-freaks. One was a young man who made "rapid spiritual progress" and soon began his own little project, offering "free home Bible studies" to CHILDREN of parents who had no personal interest in "spiritual things" - that's an excellent technique for finding neglected kids - and he would have his "studies," and get friendly with the kids, and start bringing them to Sunday meetings - he ALWAYS managed to arrive just a bit late so that he could parade his team of 6 or 8 victims from various families to the front row in the Hall - the row that was almost always unoccupied - it provided him with great visibility in front of the congregation.

  After carefully cultivating a friendship with those he found most vulnerable, he would suggest to the parents that he could take the kid "camping" over a weekend - you know, to get the kid off of their parent's hands for a while. It was during these "camping" trips that unspeakable things would happen and "secrets" would be made, with threats of dire circumstances should the child reveal those "secrets".

  But then one child DID reveal the secrets, and the ruse was discovered, and NOTHING WAS DONE TO THE PERPETRATOR. A few years later he married a new Sister who had young children from her previous marriage. The ELDERS never told her a word about the monster who would be sharing her bed.

  He's gone now; vanished, as though resting in an unmarked grave somewhere. Hastened before the "throne of judgement"...

  It is easy to see how elders "never heard of such things" - it is because they refused to ever speak of such things. Gotta protect Jehovah, y'know!
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  Crisis of Conscience

  by WasOnceBlind in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wow, what a great book.

  i started reading it today and have not been able stop.

  im already 80 pages in!

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  ...and yet Ray Franz was still a human being, with human failings and human weaknesses.

  For example, in spite of his prominent position in the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, he claimed to have NO KNOWLEDGE of the pedophile issue within the WTB&TS, none. Hell, I was only a Ministerial Servant in the Middle Village congregation in Queens NY, in the early 1970s and I knew of a pedophile in that congregation! Yet, ten years later, a "member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses" has NO KNOWLEDGE of the issue.

  I find that impossible to believe, but I was never a member of Ray's fan club - I left the WTB&TS before he did and didn't feel I "needed" him for anything, historically or theologically.

  So - don't fall into the trap of HERO WORSHIP. If you feel compelled to worship a human, worship me in secrecy and in silence. I have been "present" aboard the invisible UADNA orbiting space platform since 1913 and will continue to watch over you, protect you, and provide un-dreamed-of wealth for those who keep faith with me.

  Rule #1 - Don't talk about the Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America (UADNA) or any of the blessings it has brought you. Do not point to the UADNA invisible orbiting space platform!

  Rule #2 - When you are "ripe" a UADNA operative will contact you.

  Rule #3 - Don't "push the river"! Those most eager to join UADNA are NOT READY! Keep rule #1!

  Most people can't follow simple instructions.
  
  
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  It's time to say goodbye to JWD - I sold it !

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  a week or so ago i posted that the forum was 15 years old (15 years of jehovahs-witness.com) and hinted that there may be some news to announce about the site:.

  i also may have some other news to share soon about the future of the site so stay posted.

  well, now i can announce it - i sold it !.

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  The really odd thing is that the WTB&TS fell for it and is cutting you a check for untold billions of dollars.
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  Crisis of Conscience

  by WasOnceBlind in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wow, what a great book.

  i started reading it today and have not been able stop.

  im already 80 pages in!

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  Just remember to stay hydrated, because you are going to be VERY pissed off!
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  My worst nightmare, a speaking assignment last night. I've been OUT for 38 years!

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  every five years or so i have this vivid and recurring dream, tho you'll probably surmise it's more of a nightmare.

  i learn somehow that i am scheduled for this theocratic ministry school speaking assignment, the instruction talk (do they still have those 15 minute drone-athons?).

  i become racked with tension knowing that i haven't even prepared for an assignment that is only 30 minutes away.

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  Wow... it's a good thing that in the New Order people will take their obligations seriously.

  PS -

  I am not a crackpot.
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  Could you help me with a little Witness history ?

  by ukgirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as part of a student film project that i am completing i will be conducting a telephone interview with an exjw tomorrow.. the person i am interviewing was a witness between the years of the 50's (born in) - late 80's so obviously would have been in their late teens for the prophecies and events of 1975.. as this person is older than i, i am plan to tailor my questions around being a witness in that time period.

  i just wonder if you could point me in the direction of any more date specific events surrounding this time period that i could touch upon in my interview ?.

  much appreciated .

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  Nathan Natas

  A telephone interview fir a FILM project? ...I guess it would be a still-life - 30 minutes of a telephone on a desk; RIVETTING! At least your focus should be sharp...

  I was a dub kid in the late 50's... your interviewee may remember the book "From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained," with its explicit illustrations of death and destruction as a result of Gd's righteous judgements. This was a book aimed primarily at KIDS, and the message was clearly "SAVE YOURSELF BY WORKS."

  Later came other fine Bible study aids, like "BABYLON THE GREAT HAS FALLEN - GOD'S KINGDOM RULES" and "THEN IS FINISHED THE MYSTERY OF GOD."

  In 1967 the book "Life Everlasting-in Freedom of the Sons of God" began the BIG count-down to 1975 (though other, earlier books pointed at the early 1970s but didn't make a big deal of it). In 1968 the emphasis was on the "life-saving" door-to-door witnessing work, and special instructions were provided that if a new bible student did not progress to baptism in 6 months, they were to be dropped and considered a waste of time, because Armageddon was closer than the inside of your eyelid!

  We also saw the emphasis on the sanctity of blood and the flip-flopping about whether organ transplants were permissible for God's people. We also learned that if a Christian was raped and did not scream, that Christian was a FORNICATOR, because no scream implies consent.

  Yes indeed, those were the days!
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  Theocratic Warfare - Is it in writing?

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm just wondering if the theocratic warfare doctrine is anywhere in writing or if it's a word-of-mouth kind of thing where it's mentioned at elder's school, but not put in writing.. anyone?.

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  Nathan Natas

  Cofty gave it to you:

  “Today God’s servants are engaged in a warfare, a spiritual, theocratic warfare, a warfare ordered by God against wicked spirit forces and against false teachings. God’s servants are sent forth as sheep among wolves and therefore need to exercise the extreme caution of serpents so as to protect properly the interests of God’s kingdom committed to them. At all times they must be very careful not to divulge any information to the enemy that he could use to hamper the preaching work.“ Watchtower 1957 May 1 pp.285-286

  and NeverEndingJourney gave you the "moral" justification:

  "While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it." - Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2, pages 244, 245.

  ...but go ahead and make guesses about whether it was real and where the policy was delivered to the rank and file if FACTS aren't your cup of tea.

  "I think I remember reading that someone said they thought it was about 14 inches up my descending colon, but I don't know what that is - I might not even have one - so you can quote me on this as an non-authoritative source with a flexible opinion."